Chapter 389 Cooperation with Sanxing Group

   And then, it is Godson.

  With the lessons learned from Ark, Loongson didn’t intend to use it on personal computers from the beginning, and started to take a professional path. It can play a role in various embedded systems, and it doesn’t dare to confront the Wintel alliance anymore.

  Because I really can't beat it.

  Users have a patriotic heart and want to support domestic products, but they are not compatible with various software, so they cannot give users a better experience.

   Wait until it develops slowly and its performance gradually improves before it has the possibility of impacting the personal market.

  Now, Qin Tao is very wise.

  Of course he wants to support domestic chip development, but he also knows that a general-purpose processor from scratch cannot directly compete with Intel.

  At present, in the special field, it can play a great role.

"The number used in the military field will not be large, but at least these chips can survive. As long as they survive, after two or three generations of accumulation, they may be able to compete with Wintel. Of course, they have to start with government procurement. "

  Old Ni's complexion changed.

  He can't wait to develop a system that can compete with Wintel, but he also knows how difficult this road will be.

   And Qin Tao offered him another choice, now, he needs to make his own decision, should he take this path?

  Qin Tao didn't intend to persuade Mr. Ni with a few simple words. He also knew what Mr. Ni wanted to do most. Now, is it easy to change Mr. Ni's career?

  However, Qin Tao still insists on his direction. A baby who is born to fight a giant duel is not brave, but courting death.

   "President Qin, what are the design indicators for this project?" Elder Ni asked Qin Tao.

"I'm not professional in this. According to our current backward situation, if we can design a processor similar to 486, which can have a main frequency of 100 MHz, it should be very good. Moreover, we have not obtained the instruction set authorization of X86 , so we still need to have other instruction sets, and if we want to use them in the military, we need to coordinate with relevant research institutes to set up some special instruction sets, which will be decided later.”

"As for now, we are mainly pulling this team together. I can promise that Mingzhou Group will invest a huge amount of money. As long as the project is established, the first batch will invest 100 million in research and development funds. The name is good, our project How about naming it Godson? In English, it would be called Godson.”

  Xu Zhengyang wanted to laugh a little. This English name, if translated with meaning, is still very good. This is the son of God, but if it is transliterated, this name sounds similar to Gousheng!

  President Qin's bad taste has come again. Could it be that he intends to follow the ancient traditional customs and give him a name that is easy to support?

  Godson!

  Old Ni felt a fire burning in his chest, and the funds proposed by Qin Tao made him even more excited.

   100 million will be invested in the initial stage! In the L Think Group, he argued with those people for a long time, and the goal was just to get 10 million project start-up funds!

  Without money, there is no way to make chips. Over the years, Mr. Ni has been working on technology, and making money is his weakness.

  At this time, Luo Minghai on the side has already begun to sigh with emotion: "Sure enough, Mr. Qin is a big hand. He invested 100 million yuan at the beginning, but in the final development, he can't invest 400 to 500 million yuan? Your Mingzhou Group is really rich!"

  Qin Tao had a smile on his face, and just wanted to say, I was talking about US dollars. One hundred million US dollars is equivalent to seven or eight hundred million RMB! However, before he could speak, Xu Zhengyang's phone rang.

"Hello?"

  The next second, Xu Zhengyang changed to the words of South Kimchi Country.

  Qin Tao was a little surprised. Ever since Dazhou Heavy Industry was brought down, he seems to have nothing to do with the South Kimchi Country, right?

   Could it be Sanxing Heavy Industry?

  They refused to agree to their own conditions, so they were not interested in this joint venture plan at all.

  Afterwards, I met at the International Defense Exhibition, and there was no in-depth communication at that time.

   Now, is it Sanxing Heavy Industry?

   "Mr. Qin, Mr. Li from the Sanxing Group came to Huating to attend a meeting here. I know you are also in Huating, so I want to invite you to meet."

  Hearing Xu Zhengyang's words, several people present were stunned.

  Sanxing Group, Mr. Li, actually want to invite Mr. Qin? President Qin's business is big enough.

   "What did you say?" Qin Tao asked.

   "They don't have an appointment, so, Mr. Qin, you won't be able to come over for the time being."

  Luo Minghai and Ni Lao were so shocked that their jaws almost dropped.

   Okay, you don't have time yet?

   "Then how did they answer?" Qin Tao was very satisfied with Xu Zhengyang's answer.

  “They said that it was about the establishment of a joint venture factory, the production of 64M memory sticks and a shipyard. They said that they could agree to all the conditions we put forward.”

  Old Ni was even more shocked.

  For a computer, the most important thing is the processor, followed by memory sticks. Mr. Qin has long wanted to enter the electronics industry, and he still directly produces the most advanced 64M memory sticks!

  Hearing the news, Qin Tao was also very happy. It was only his temporary idea at the time. After all, the other party asked for cooperation, so he had to make some demands. After that, the other party didn't respond, so Qin Tao gave up.

  Now, the other party came again, and they came to the door on their own initiative. It seems that this time there is a play.

   "Old Ni, are you interested in negotiating with us?" Qin Tao asked Elder Ni.

  Old Ni's face burst into excitement: "Of course I do."

   "In this case, then answer Mr. Li. After getting his invitation, I turned down all the work at hand and went to meet him."

   "Yes." Xu Zhengyang nodded.

  Old Ni sat in the big G of the Mercedes-Benz, his thoughts had already begun to wander.

"Currently, our domestic chips are not only weak in design, but also in production capacity. Sanxing Electronics has already mastered the production process of less than 1 micron. If their technology can be introduced, our general-purpose processor will be able to Set the process below 1 micron, such as 0.35 micron." Mr. Ni was very excited.

  Qin Tao showed a smile on his face. It seems that Mr. Ni has slowly accepted his proposal in a subtle way.

   There is Godson Company for design, and this joint venture company for production. In this way, the chip industry of Mingzhou Group can be developed.

  However, if you want to develop better, you still need a few people. If the stall is set up, you have to invite a few people to come over.

  Qin Tao already had a detailed plan in his mind.

   A group of the Sanxing Group stayed at the Huating Hotel. After Qin Tao and the others passed by, they met again in a meeting room of the Huating Hotel.

"President Qin, I'm very happy that we meet again." Mr. Li personally introduced to Qin Tao: "This is Yin Jinlong, the person in charge of our Sanxing Electronics semiconductor project. He is mainly responsible for our negotiations on semiconductors this time." Responsible, this is Zheng Zhenze, who is mainly in charge of our Sanxing Heavy Industry, and he is mainly responsible for the negotiation of the shipyard, so, Mr. Qin, which project should we talk about first?"

   "Let's talk about shipbuilding first." Qin Tao said, "After all, our old profession is shipbuilding. Mr. Zheng, what are your plans?"

Mr. Li is only leading the team, so he asked his subordinates to discuss it first, so that if there is a disagreement, he can come forward. Qin Tao is the boss of the group, and talking to the person in charge of a branch of the other party seems to be a lower level. However, Qin Tao Thao didn't care about that.

"The location of the shipyard is planned to be Chongming Island, Huating City, with a planned investment of 300 million U.S. dollars. According to your request, your contribution ratio exceeds 50%. Please be ready to invest. You have this We can accept all the appointment rights of the shipyard.” Zheng Zhenze said: “However, we also have our own conditions. For example, our joint venture shipyard must have a certain proportion of natural gas ships. In the natural gas ship project, our workers must account for a certain proportion."

  Qin Tao had a smile on his face, and he knew that the other party had a purpose. Now, he has shown his true colors.

  Mingzhou Group can hold absolute control, but they must help them train natural gas ship workers! This is equivalent to that the other party can train a large number of workers through this shipyard without spending money!

   You must know that training workers also consumes a lot of money.

   "What's President Qin's opinion?" The other party asked cautiously.

   "We are negotiating and what we are looking for is cooperation. Both of us have to show sincerity, right?" Qin Tao said with a smile.

   "Yes, you are right. I hope you can agree to our terms."

   "Of course." Qin Tao nodded!

   Several people from the Sanxing Group looked at each other and felt very excited.

   So far, Sanhang Heavy Industry has still not been involved in the construction of natural gas ships. They will quickly obtain this capability through a joint venture with Mingzhou Group to build a factory!

   Compared with going to GTT company for training, the cost here is zero!

"However, any workers who are sent to our joint venture shipyard need to work in the shipyard for at least five years. If they leave after half a year of training and master the technology, they will have to pay tuition fees to the shipyard. Three million dollars."

  When Qin Tao said this, the people opposite were dumbfounded.

  The purpose of their fight is to leave after the training, and then replace the batch, so that they can build natural gas ships in China. Now, Qin Tao put forward this condition, even if the gap is plugged!

   "Boss Qin, you just said that you need to show sincerity." Zheng Zhenze couldn't help complaining.

"Yes, it is necessary to show sincerity, but we can't be the only ones who show sincerity. In fact, I don't understand your request. You are looking for a partner to build a shipyard here. It should be the labor cost advantage here.”

Qin Tao continued: "So, the workers in the shipyard should be mainly hired from us, but you plan to let your workers account for a certain proportion, and come all the way. This is definitely a waste. , The wages and travel allowances for a worker from the southern kimchi country who came all the way are enough to pay the wages of three people on our side. If we want to pursue fairness, then we should also pay the same wages to the people on our side, so that As a result, the shipyard will definitely lose money. If so, why do we cooperate?"

  You guys, this is drunkenness, how can we not see it?

"If you want to learn the welding technology of Invar Steel, then you can openly propose it. We can help with training. If we jointly establish a shipyard, the training fee for your workers can be reduced to three per person. Wouldn’t it be better to let them get a G certificate for $100,000?”

   The people on the opposite side were a little embarrassed.

  If the training fee is 300,000 U.S. dollars, it’s really not that much. They can ask for it generously. Why do they have to do this kind of trick?

"Mr. Qin, thank you for your generosity. If our cooperation project can be negotiated, then we are willing to pay three million yuan and send ten technicians here to learn welding technology. As for the workers of this shipyard, they will be recruited from China. Well, after all, the operating cost is low." Mr. Li made a decision.

  Forget about the original plan, let's just send someone to train.

Qin Tao nodded: "Well, then let's go on to say that if we build a natural gas ship, it will inevitably involve the issue of patents. After all, this shipyard is not operated by our Mingzhou Group alone, so the patent fee still has to be paid. The head office handed it in. But, after all, we are a family and cannot be the same as outsiders, so we temporarily set the patent fee at 1.5% of the selling price of each ship, how about it?"

  Zheng Zhenze frowned again. They originally planned to rely on the Mingzhou Group, so as to facilitate the acquisition of the technical patent of the natural gas ship. Who would have thought that the other party did not intend to give it for nothing, but actually asked for money!

  Since money is needed, why don't we use GTT's patent rights?

"Now, GTT's patent license fee is about 3% of the selling price of each ship, and our patent fee is only half of theirs. In the future, if your local shipyard also wants to use our patent, we will You can also offer a preferential price, for example, 2% of the selling price of each ship. Moreover, our technology is more advanced, and even GTT is currently launching a patented solution similar to ours." Qin Tao said : "If you give up on us, you can only go to GTT to cooperate. For us, these are all indifferent, it depends on your choice."

   It is impossible not to give money, but we can guarantee that it is lower than GTT company. After all, GTT company is still an old brand.

   This is also an attempt by Mingzhou Group to sell patents to the outside world. If it succeeds, they can sit and collect money in the future!

   "Okay, we accept Mr. Qin's proposal." Mr. Li once again approved Qin Tao's proposition. After all, this condition is already very strong.

   "The detailed terms need to be carefully negotiated, but the general framework is like this. Do you have any other ideas?" Qin Tao asked.

  The other party shook his head.

   "Okay, then let's continue talking about the electronics company. By the way, let me introduce to you, the old Ni next to me is the consultant I invited. After all, I am not familiar with these things."

  Old Ni?

  Yin Jinlong's eyes widened. Just now, he thought Mr. Ni looked familiar, but now he finally recognized him. This is the leader of China's semiconductor industry!

   It's probably not easy to be fooled now.

A smile appeared on Yin Jinlong's face, and he stretched out his hand: "Mr. Ni is famous in China. It's a great honor to meet you. Next, let's talk about the memory stick factory. The location of the factory is still in Huating, and we will Building a 3-inch fab…”

When he heard this, Mr. Ni just stretched out his hand, before holding it, and then retracted: "The three-inch fab has long been outdated, and we need a larger fab. "

  Manufacturing chips, the first step is to purify silicon, make a single silicon into a cylinder, then slice it, and make an integrated circuit on each piece.

  The diameter of the cylinder, or disc, is very important.

  The larger the diameter, the less waste. After all, the chip is rectangular and the wafer is circular, so the corner materials are wasted.

  The other party came up to provide backward technology, which immediately made Ni Lao vigilant.

   "Then, we can raise it to five inches." Yin Jinlong immediately changed his words: "For you, this is the most advanced."

   "How can it be the most advanced? In 1991, Philips Semiconductors in Huating already had a five-inch fab, and it is now 94 years!"

   "It's only been three years." Yin Jinlong still wanted to fool you.

  "Moore's Law is based on an eighteen-month cycle." Ni Lao said: "These three years are enough to pass two cycles! We will never forget the lessons of Project 908."

   Speaking of this, Mr. Ni felt very sorry.

   Of course, the country also knows that the semiconductor industry is outdated, so in August 1990, relevant decisions were passed to promote the semiconductor industry to enter the era of manufacturing under 1 micron process. The 908 project has a total investment of about 2 billion yuan, of which 1.5 billion yuan is used to invest in the construction of Huajing Electronics' six-inch wafer fab with a production capacity of 12,000 wafers, and the rest of the investment is used to establish several integrated circuit product design centers.

The results of it? Two years have passed since the audit, and by the time it was put into production, it was already behind the times!

   "Then what do you want?"

   "At least an 8-inch fab, and a 0.35-micron process is required." Ni Lao said.

   "That's impossible!" Yin Jinlong said: "What we plan to export is a 1-micron process, which is enough for manufacturing memory."

   This is what they want to argue for.

  Memory, like processors, are VLSIs, but the process requirements for memory are lower. When the processor has entered the 0.35-micron era, it is also possible to use a 1-micron process for the memory.

   "Well, I don't know much about these professional fields, but I want to ask, don't you Sanxing Electronics have this kind of technology?" Qin Tao interjected.

   "Of course we have!"

"Then why don't you provide us with the most advanced technology? Are you planning to make us obsolete when we build a factory? Or are you planning to sell us the outdated equipment on your current production line, and you just introduce more advanced equipment?" equipment?"

  Qin Tao's words hit Yin Jinlong's heart.

   They are indeed playing for this purpose.

  Last year, Micron took the lead in adopting ASML stepper lithography machine exclusively in the industry, and its production capacity increased immediately. Sanxing Electronics, which has always had a good relationship with Micron, also found that the production capacity of ASMLPAS5500 is much better than that of Nikon. Therefore, they have decided to order lithography machines from ASML to replace all Nikon lithography machines on their production line.

  Where will these lithography machines be sent after they are eliminated?

China!

   They finally made a decision to form a joint venture with Mingzhou Group. It was due to various factors, and the eliminated lithography machine was one of them.

  Although Qin Tao doesn't understand these things, he can understand people's hearts!

  Qin Tao's question immediately made Yin Jinlong unable to answer.

   You have advanced technology, why give us the backward one? Don't you just want to sell us those outdated equipment? Maybe it will be sold as a new one.

   "Boss Qin, in the field of electronics, the more advanced the better, as long as it is enough, please believe us, 1 micron technology is enough." Mr. Li can only make peace with it.

  Qin Tao smiled: "I don't know about this. Since we want to introduce, we must introduce the most advanced technology in the world. If you refuse, then our cooperation will fail, and it will be treated as if we have never been here before!"

  Qin Tao doesn’t care much about the shipyard at all. What he cares about is the semiconductor industry. Now, since the other party has a wrong idea, what’s the point? What about the frank meeting you just promised? With this attitude?

  Qin Tao stood up.

   "Old Ni, let's go, on the way here, what are you talking about? NEC company?"

  Qin Tao just said it casually, he didn't know it, but he hit it right.

  NEC also took a fancy to Dongfang's labor cost advantage and decided to build a factory in Dongfang. It is currently looking for cooperation opportunities. If Mingzhou Group posts it, will there be any benefits from their three-line group?

   You know, NEC is also a very good semiconductor company in the island country!

Qin Tao is also a decisive person. He didn't need to establish a joint venture with the Sanxing Group to build a shipyard. It was just for the establishment of the semiconductor industry. Sanxing Electronics is not their only partner. They can choose other company.

However, Sanxing Heavy Industry needs the natural gas ship technology of Mingzhou Group very much. The training fee of 300,000 US dollars per person is too cheap, and there are advanced technology patents: only half of the invar steel is used, and the cost is much lower. !

  How to choose?

  Seeing that Qin Tao was about to leave, Mr. Li hesitated again and again, and finally spoke.

"Mr. Qin, if you insist, then we can provide the most advanced electronic technology, eight-inch wafer fab, and 0.35-micron manufacturing technology to produce the most advanced 64M memory sticks. However, this means that we will invest Huge amounts of money."

  Mr. Li gave Yin Jinlong a wink, so Yin Jinlong quickly answered: "That's right, such a modern electronics factory requires at least 500 million dollars in investment."

"Of course there is no problem. Even if you don't invest and only provide technology, we will fully fund it, and there will be no problem." Qin Tao said: "However, we must hurry up. From the signing of the agreement, within one year, the factory It must be put into production!"

   Elder Ni on the side was very emotional, Mr. Qin is really generous! Moreover, Mr. Qin has the final say on the Mingzhou Group, who is responsible for his own profits and losses, and makes decisions very quickly. If the process is run in various agencies, it will end up the same as the 908 project.

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